GPL'ed code in JBoss source tree?

Rickard Öberg

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Thanks for pointing that out, Adrian!

If you would then be so kind as to help me update the copyright statements in JBoss CVS. Just change "LGPL" to "GPL" and I'm happy. If you're busy you can begin by just changing the file you just referenced. That'd be a good start.

Thanks for helping me keeping my code Free and in the hands of the Developer! I never knew Freedom could be so much fun!

Well, I'm not arguing anymore. And I sadly have to admit to having absolutely no humor whatsoever, so I'm not joking either.

The parts of JBoss that I have written, and therefore have copyright of, are now GPL. It's that simple.

Well - who knows. It seems to be a case for lawyers, because first, all newly distributed copies of Rickard contributions have to be GPL'ed. And second, this change starts effectively by now, without touching the term for existing copies. And finally - GPL and LGPL clash like oil and water.

Of course history proves none could blame Rickard for requesting it. However it could also be the start for subsequent requests, since there are others who left in dispute and earned hostile comments by a number of JBoss employees afterwards (listen Core Developers!).

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Bug in Apple JDK? Help needed!

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        at java.net.PlainDatagramSocketImpl.join(Native Method)
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This works on Linux, Solaris and Windows. Help needed!

What's wrong with Groovy

Stephan needs IDEA Groovy plugin badly. Or was this wizard and food?

Paul Graham responses

"He's over the top with Java, but his essay is great"

Yes, he's over the top with Java, but his eassy is not great. Beside the Java rant it's a writeup of Frederik Brooks, Joel Spolsky and mostly Tom DeMarco. If you've never read them, Paul Grahams essay may sound great, otherwise it's just boring. At least he mentions Brooks.

"You just thought you we're great, and you're not."

I may not be great, I don't know, and really, I just don't care. But to Grahams definition I'm a great hacker. I'm curious, I chose a job where I can hack, I have Python on my resume, I do my pet projects with Groovy, I can tune in. So that's not the point I think. But his definition sounds more like he build it with himself in mind.

"You exaggerate. He didn't say what you said he said."

He wrote exactly what I said. Just combine

if your society has no variation in productivity, it's probably not because everyone is Thomas Edison, but because you have no Thomas Edisons.

Of all the great programmers I can think of, I know of only one who would voluntarily program in Java

This just reminds me of Platon, who thought great philosophers were just like himself and all the others were dumb.

"You scream, so he must have hit some truths"

What bizarre logic! If I argue that you're a thief in front of your boss, and you get angry, I'm right? And I can make you angry this way, believe me. This is just some kind of sophism.

You Java Programmers are Losers!

The programmers you'll be able to hire to work on a Java project won't be as smart as the ones you could get to work on a project written in Python.

and more:

Of all the great programmers I can think of, I know of only one who would voluntarily program in Java.

From whom? It's Paul Graham again. Well probably it's one of this No-One-Cares-About-My-Language-And-Therefore-I-hate-Java rants. Lisp in this case. And he uses Python just as a proxy. The same goes for Bertrand Meyer who uses .NET to attack Java, because no one cares about Eiffel.

Is it true what he writes? I've been part of the Perl and Python community for some time, so are the people on those communites more clever than Java programmers? Yes, probably the average programmer is smarter, but as there is easily a 10:1 ratio from Java to Python programmers, you get more programmers at the low end. But I've met a lot of great and clever programmers in the Java community.

This one is funny too:

They may have to use Java and Windows at work, but at home, where they can choose for themselves, you're more likely to find them using Perl and Linux.

Well they might use something else like Rebol or K or Groovy or Ruby, but most of them won't use Perl. Perl and Java have such a different mind set that I know very few people who use both.

When you ask that question, you find that open source operating systems already have a dominant market share, and the number one language is probably Perl.

And looking at CPAN, the language with the worst (10% useful, 10% work, 10% crap, 70% dead) open source projects is Perl.

Does using Java make your company a loser? Well, Paul Graham thinks so despite eBay, Amazon and FedEx using Java and making lots of money.

To me who worked for years in both communities, it just seems that Paul Graham has no clue of the Java community, Java open source or Java programmers.

But Arc will change everything, when it's finished. Some time. In … the … far … future. Beware Java programmers, you losers!

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End of Groovy?

I hate generics

sense

And on #groovy with James Strachan making some very good points. The main usage of casts and collections is the famous iterator loop, and that went away with foreach.

11:16  * stephan hates generics / templates
11:16 < stephan> Too much hype and all I get is 
      cast-free collections.
11:16 < stephan> If I really need them, I just inherit one.
11:17 < Karl> I think generics are good, it's mostly 
      about cast-free collections
11:18 < stephan> I think they are overhyped. They might be useful, 
      but for very few cases. 
      This doesn't justify making Java much more complex to
      understand and read.
11:18 < Karl> ah, sam showed my example
11:18 < Karl> the int length = map.get("key").length(); not working
11:18 < stephan> I wrote thousands of line of Java and I never had 
      a cast problem from a collection 
      (because I put something wrong in there)
11:18  * jstrachan hates generics too
11:18 < stephan> Karl: grats.
11:18 < jstrachan> agreed
11:19 < jstrachan> its ironic, the main use case for casting was
      iterating through a collection
11:19 < jstrachan> then 1.5 has a foreach thingy to avoid that case
11:19 < stephan> yeah. exactly.
11:19 < Karl> hehe, that's true
11:19 < jstrachan> so most of the use cases for avoiding casting
      with generic collections has gone away, 
     IN THE SAME RELEASE
11:19 < Karl> I like this use of generics:
11:19 < stephan> thats so funny.
11:19 < jstrachan> so hey, we have 2 solutions for the price of 
      one :)